Chatting with Richie about UK nightlife
Hi, welcome to the Everyday Language Podcast. I’m Mark. Thanks for listening, hope you’re well? Wherever you are.
In today’s conversation, I’m talking to my friend Richie about some music stuff we like, one of the DJ’s we used to listen to, and then how drinking in London pubs and clubs has changed. Then we talk about what going to the pub is like in Japan.
Mark: Well let me see, I saw Andy C, (where’s the noise for Andy C?!!!) the DJ, like, he looks like he’s been, like in a constant party since the early 90’s.
Richie: Following him on social media channels he just seems to be flying around the world, like, seems to be quite popular in South America as well.
Richie: Yeah, he seems to be jet[tting around], he’s just from one festival to another.
M: I wonder how he survives? Like…
R: Seems like he loves it, but he probably doesn’t have a family or anything, it’s just, he just loves what he does, he just plays records.
R: Rocks up, plays a few tunes, flies over (bit inaudible) to Ibiza to London back to South America. (Right) Yeah, I think he knew at quite a young age that he wanted to be a DJ so, erm.
M: He’s from Essex that guy, wasn’t he? He’s like.
R: He’s from here, Hackney, he’s just from up the road from where I live, yeah, he’s like from Clapton, Clapton I think, (oh right) a mile from here. Yeah, he’s got a proper East end accent when you hear him talk, it’s like….yeah.
M: I wonder if he’s very healthy or not? Like…
R: Yeah probably, I think, think, he’s always had his head screwed on hasn’t he? It’s like I think he already had the idea of Ram Records when he was still at school, like his sister drew the label, like the Ram sign on his, one of his workbooks or something, and he already had Andy C, Ram Records (oh right) when he was like fifteen, sixteen.
M: Have you been reading, like, the history or something?
R: I don’t know why I know this, I read it somewhere yeah, I think, I can’t remember if it was on, whether I follow him on Twitter or something, he was posting old, (right) like the old picture and yeah, and upload some of his old videos, kind of a bit annoying at times but, (mm), but yeah, he seems to have his head screwed on though. I think a lot of them have calmed down in the drum and bass scene but he seems to be really pushing, (mm) pushing it, pushing the brand. (right) Mmm fair enough, that is while it’s still working.
I don’t think any of them thought it would be that successful, I mean, how long has it been? It’s been 20 years? Since they were…
M: No, it’s been longer than that it’s (2017) two thousand and seventeen man. (chuckles ) It’s like..
R: Yeah, well, they were, they were famous twenty, twenty-five years ago they were famous, already.
M: Yeah, yeah, he was like killing it in, like I’ve got that One Natio-One Nation (1997) nineteen ninety-seven, like that set was….(amazing – inaudible)
R: Yeah, exactly, I mean they’re still doing those kinds of festivals here, nowadays they’re more family-orientated, seems to be like fairground rides and… (right) hog roast dinner,
M: I can remember, you can’t carry on like, what they were doing before, that was just ridiculous, like Drum and Bass is a bit er, like it was a lot of testosterone in there I think, know what I mean?
R: Yeah definitely captured that audience didn’t it? Which then later, which is probably like the Grime scene nowadays.
M: Yeah like it’s not, all rudeboys, people with loads of attitude, it’s not very friendly, well…
R: Pirate, London pirate radio stations just banging out…vinyl records. Yeah, it’s changed a bit I suppose nowadays.
M: Well, Grime, well Dizzee Rascal’s got a new record out. Have you heard any of that?
R: No, I haven’t heard any of it no, have you? Have you stayed in touch? Up to date with him or?
M: It’s cos he was in the paper he had a Twitter argument with Wiley, I was reading that and then…
R: What were they arguing about?
M: Apparently it’s like a, it’s almost like a seventeen-year-old beef. Like, er, when Dizzee and Wiley were in Ayia Nappa and Dizzee got stabbed. Like, why do I know that? I don’t know why I know that but..and then he said he was going to kill Wiley and then like all this other stuff…basically, they’re throwing mud at each other and er,
R: Just want to get a bit of attention I think.
M: Yeah, well he’s got a new record out.
R: Good marketing, exactly a bit of marketing.
M: Mmm, so how’s like, how’s not going out in London these days?
R: How’s not going out?
M: Yeah, like you said you’ve not been going out.
R: I’d like, I would quite like to go out more but, it’s just um, quite expensive, and erm, I don’t know it’s just quite I’ve got too many other things to do I’m too busy, I don’t like erm, been out to 5 o clock in the morning when I’ve got things to do on the next day. (mm) I don’t really like burning the candle at both ends anymore, but, but yeah,
Yeah, I think it’s difficult to say, I don’t know, the scene seems to have changed a little bit compared to when…like twenty years ago, think nowadays its gone very corporate, I think the clubs are all big money or don’t exist or those, no kind of… middle ground type stuff,
M: All the clubs have been closing down haven’t they? That’s what I heard.
R: Yeah, there’s definitely er, um, I’ve read about that as well, I think there’s a, I don’t whether there is a change in culture, I think some are saying it’s related to the relaxation of drinking laws, here in the UK.
So..that was quite bad for clubs because people could stay in pubs longer, so people used to have to leave the pub at eleven o’clock.
So if you wanted to do something you’d have to go to a club, nowadays pubs are open till two and clubs are open till four. So that’s one reason why less people go to clubs, and I don’t know I just think the knock-on effect is that there is less money made, only the big clubs can afford to survive so it just kind of…yeah, killed off the market really.
M: Those London pubs are quite weird, aren’t they? Like, I think in small towns pubs don’t open that long, like till 4 [am]in the morning. (yeah) They’re like clubs basically.
R: Yeah, yeah I mean that used to be illegal but nowadays I think these, these kinds of licenses for clubs are available so, I think they’re quite expensive so that’s maybe why you don’t see that many outside of the bigger cities, you know, if there’s not a lot of people around there’s a higher chance you’re not going to make enough money to cover your costs to stay open that late but. But yeah, you do get them in most cities, places that are open to at least two o clock, nowadays, whereas it used to be everything was closed at eleven.
M: Yeah, so everyone was downing their pints, well, downing their drinks really quick.
R: Yeah, were forced to drink their drinks really quickly then they got chucked out on the streets yeah,
M: What’s happening with the Dolphin? (The Dolphin is a pub)
R: Oh you know, I’ve not been there for ages, well I know that, that’s had issues with its licence but somehow it’s survived, and think it’s gone upmarket and it’s got very expensive.
M: Oh right, it’s got posh.
R: Yeah, the hipsters have arrived, and taken over.
M: I thought they were already there man?
R: Yeah, I think they’re were but I think it’s branched out even more, it’s like the proper hipsters, the rich hipsters now,
M: Oh right,
R: I don’t know.
M: Well what were the last lot? Haha.
R: Before, (inaudbile) I don’t know.
M: What’s that other thing? Oh yeah, you’ve got to come to Japan and sample the pubs here.
R: Yeah, I would like to go to Japan at some point. Do you go to the pub at all or?
M: Er well, not that often, like don’t get the chance, gotta do child care and that. But yeah found a good one last weekend.
R: What’s the mmm, scene like? Is it people in your village go out drinking? Every, at the weekends? Or how does it work?
M: Well, we’re in the suburb or Akita city and then in the city, there’s like a drinks area, er it’s called Kawabata and there’s loads of bars and places to eat and drink. Just places to, well usually like places in Japan, they give you some kind of food to eat even if you’re drin- even if you’re just there to drink. (ok)
Like even if it’s like, just a small snack or something. Um and..I think people here really like Jazz, so there’s apparently there’s loads of Jazz bars everywhere, er (oh right) last weekend my mate had told me, oh there’s this really dirty place, er that’s got the owners got loads of records.
So if we go there it’s not like a typical, like in Japan basically people like classy places all the time, like you know, like nice furniture and all this kind of stuff, but and nice food, but then this was like…
Was cool, it was like, it looked like a normal house from outside you didn’t, couldn’t tell it was a bar then you go in and it’s all dark but one big wall like, behind the barman was just like full of records, and it was like er, how big?
Think like 20 metres across and 10 metres up so it was like a huge wall of records (ok) and he had like huge big phat speakers behind us, er, I mean he wasn’t banging the tunes out he was just like, he had proper limited edition nice like, (60’s) sixties (70’s) seventies (80’s) eighties records think that’s, yeah that’s what he was into (ok)
So it wasn’t like, yeah, hardcore, whatever, dance music but it was good, um, yeah, and there wasn’t loads of people, there was just like, there were three of us and there were another couple of people that came in later. (oh right). I mean I think that happens a lot, like you know, you go to these bars and it’s…they may only have like, five tables or two tables, or just the bar (ok), er,
And I guess in Tokyo or something it’s probably different but, er, well no, I know in Tokyo as well they’ve got like loads of really, small places where I mean,
they’ve got big pubs as well yeah so that’s what that was like. Er, yeah really cool, I think there’s loads of them like I haven’t explored them enough, er, yeah, that was a good one.
Er, yeah they’ve got this thing called nomihoudai 「飲み放題」, so you know, in the UK you can get like buffet and it’s all you can eat, er well (yeah) nomihoudai 「飲み放題」er, is like you pay for like an hour or two hours and then you can drink as much as you want. (ok) Yeah, that’s ok if you want to get really drunk basically.
R: Yeah, yeah I think that wouldn’t work in the UK I don’t think.
M: Yeah I know people would just abuse that to death (laughing)…
R: Apparently they have it in the airports, the same, I read recently there is that kind of thing where they, you go in you pay a fixed amount, and you can like drink as much alcohol as you want, and they’re saying there’s a, there’s a real problem with people in the UK boarding planes blind drunk, ‘cos people go there with good intentions and then they’re flight gets delayed (mm)
So they’re just, sat there drinking for five hours, waiting for this plane to arrive, and then, just have to be like held down in the plane and yeah. Laughs
Oh well, (mm) yeah so generally it’s a bad idea for the UK, unlimit-, unlimited alcohol.
Vocabulary and Expressions
He seems to have his head screwed on – means to be responsible and to know what is right and what is wrong
burning the candle at both ends – an expression that means working hard and playing hard (to excess)
he was killing it – He was brilliant/awesome/great (used to describe a performance)
beef (casual/slang expression) – an argument
Ayia Napa – a town in southeastern Cyprus famous for music in the Mediterranean. Particularly garage music in the early 2000’s
Ibiza – An island famous for clubs in the Mediterranean
downing their pints – drinking their beer quickly (a pint is the typical size of a beer in UK pubs or clubs)
posh – an adjective meaning (used in casual speech): rich; upper class
it’s got posh – it went upmarket; it got expensive
hipsters – a group of cool trendy young people
banging the tunes out – playing music loudly
blind drunk – very drunk
Andy C is the owner of Ram records and a legendary DJ in the drum and bass scene. I listened to him a lot in the late 90’s early 2000 records
This Andy C track Equinox still kills it today.
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